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Post by memorex on Feb 11, 2019 9:59:25 GMT -8
I'm around. I just don't have a lot of time to read everything. I did not see all the stuff from a few days ago about people being banned. Banning people is just silly. Anyway, I wish Andrew would come to his senses and understand that there are different opinions all over the world. If we can't all interact, well than that is a far bigger threat than anything else anyone is worried about.
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Post by steveo777 on Feb 11, 2019 12:00:39 GMT -8
I'm around. I just don't have a lot of time to read everything. I did not see all the stuff from a few days ago about people being banned. Banning people is just silly. Anyway, I wish Andrew would come to his senses and understand that there are different opinions all over the world. If we can't all interact, well than that is a far bigger threat than anything else anyone is worried about. You stood up and posted what none of us could because we were banned. I enjoyed participating in the music threads there and now I can't. I have even donated to Andrews site on a couple recent occasions, before he turned on us. Unfortunately, our opposing views brought out the worst in his character, as it seems to do to many on the left. It's really scary to think if the left had their way, anyone who does not follow in lock step would be shunned as cast outs in society. This is how communism comes into being....very dangerous.
Anyway, thanks for dropping a line in that thread. I doubt it will matter to him. I don't hate Andrew, just disagree with him.
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Post by factfinder on Feb 11, 2019 14:05:31 GMT -8
When Andrew couldn’t even agree to disagree with TNC of all people ,I called him a leftist scum, he didn’t like that very much. He even took it out on the lot of us instead of just me alone. (Guilt by association anyone?) That shows what a complete intolerant ass he is, he should move to China. If he were alive in Moscow circa 1965 he would have been a good apparatchik.
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Post by Boomchild on Feb 11, 2019 14:27:23 GMT -8
Memorex, I appreciate you taking the time to post what you did on MR. It was very well put and lays out exactly what happened. I would not be surprised if it falls on deaf ears or you now become the next target.
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Post by kcjourneyfan01 on Feb 11, 2019 15:04:56 GMT -8
At least you all know now that, you know who, is concerned about whats going on here enough that he checks it out. And like I said, leave it to him to post something stupid to kick start it. Come debate here you troll. Bring your ass here to a even level field. Watch your ass get kicked. "Oh, I've so much to do, I don't have time". Such a liar. Such a typical lib. I called it. You guys got to give me credit for that. He could have let it fall off the face of the earth. Now you know who's either lurking here, or having his little butt boy Monkey doing it for him. I'd say we have spys, but here, it's open to everyone.
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Post by slucero on Feb 11, 2019 18:38:11 GMT -8
I don't think I've been banned.. but whatever.. not going back there. I think its still as I said in early January... I don't think anyone "hates" Andrew... I know I don't. I just disagree with how he moderates, meaning he doesn't, except when the thread doesn't fit his worldview. The renaming of the thread, fucking with linkings and world spelling is just plain unprofessional... and frankly childish. I'd always hoped he'd show himself to be a better and bigger person than that, but I was wrong. What's "sad" is that he clearly missed his opportunity to sponsor open debate and disagreement. Instead, he's made his forum as close-minded as he is. It's his forum, he can run it (or NOT run it) as he sees fit. He's shown himself to be a very intolerant person. Clearly, by his actions, we aren't welcome there. So be it. No reason to stay where one isn't welcome. So we've left the intolerance moved on.
I think I can speak for all of us on this.
The only "rule" here is this. No personal attacks.
Speak to the topic, not the person. If someone is posting something that is hateful or racist we will all call them out on it - as adults.
All Andrew's doing with his comments is proving his bias & intolerance. His forum, his way. Bias, intolerance and all. No problem with that.
He's welcome to come here and post... and prove his points with fact. HERE he won't be censored.
I'd welcome TNC, as he's always factual and sourced. Good mind. He's made me go back and read some history more than once.
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Post by memorex on Feb 11, 2019 19:43:36 GMT -8
However, there is name calling of Andrew right here in these last few pages and if Andrew is welcome here, than the name calling should not be. The "Rule" has to apply all ways. I am upset with Andrew. I was really bothered by his actions. But I know damn well he's a good guy. Yes, he made some mistakes and yes it pisses me off and disappoints me, but if I was sitting at his diner table tonight, I'd imagine that like you he would show himself to be a good guy. The internet can make people crazy and things can be said. And he should not have abused his power. And it was right to leave after he locked the thread. And it was right not to return without him doing better at understanding his actions. But we say that in a strong way without resorting to some of what has been said. That's my two cents.
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Post by kcjourneyfan01 on Feb 11, 2019 19:50:25 GMT -8
I don't think I've been banned.. but whatever.. not going back there. I think its still as I said in early January... I don't think anyone "hates" Andrew... I know I don't. I just disagree with how he moderates, meaning he doesn't, except when the thread doesn't fit his worldview. The renaming of the thread, fucking with linkings and world spelling is just plain unprofessional... and frankly childish. I'd always hoped he'd show himself to be a better and bigger person than that, but I was wrong. What's "sad" is that he clearly missed his opportunity to sponsor open debate and disagreement. Instead, he's made his forum as close-minded as he is. It's his forum, he can run it (or NOT run it) as he sees fit. He's shown himself to be a very intolerant person. Clearly, by his actions, we aren't welcome there. So be it. No reason to stay where one isn't welcome. So we've left the intolerance moved on.
I think I can speak for all of us on this.
The only "rule" here is this. No personal attacks.
Speak to the topic, not the person. If someone is posting something that is hateful or racist we will all call them out on it - as adults.
All Andrew's doing with his comments is proving his bias & intolerance. His forum, his way. Bias, intolerance and all. No problem with that.
He's welcome to come here and post... and prove his points with fact. HERE he won't be censored.
I'd welcome TNC, as he's always factual and sourced. Good mind. He's made me go back and read some history more than once.
You know what? I'll stand behind what I said. I'm not standing behind a protected bubble and hurling insults at the defenseless. It's not that he couldn't defend his points, even though he couldn't, it's that he flat out didn't want to hear it or have anyone else see it. It's called censorship. A propaganda tool. All were welcome to a "open topic thread to say as they wanted". Until he didn't like it and couldn't beat it. TNC I asked several times to join. He's looked at us I guess, but was content there for now. I wish I'd remembered to message J.Blake, but I got banned. I'm sure the latest rant will have some there looking here. Hey, at least I got the puppet to dance. There's been more action here in a day, then there in a week. Hell, it's so boring there that they seem to be coming here to read. Since this forum started the Trump thread there has moved about two pages. Most of it long,boring piece work between Monker and TNC. I look in to see if the thread will die off. The people that whined about it keep reviving it. Does that make sense?
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Post by kcjourneyfan01 on Feb 11, 2019 19:59:39 GMT -8
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Post by slucero on Feb 11, 2019 20:03:12 GMT -8
I don't think I've been banned.. but whatever.. not going back there. I think its still as I said in early January...
I think I can speak for all of us on this.
The only "rule" here is this. No personal attacks.
Speak to the topic, not the person. If someone is posting something that is hateful or racist we will all call them out on it - as adults.
All Andrew's doing with his comments is proving his bias & intolerance. His forum, his way. Bias, intolerance and all. No problem with that.
He's welcome to come here and post... and prove his points with fact. HERE he won't be censored.
I'd welcome TNC, as he's always factual and sourced. Good mind. He's made me go back and read some history more than once.
You know what? I'll stand behind what I said. I'm not standing behind a protected bubble and hurling insults at the defenseless. It's not that he couldn't defend his points, even though he couldn't, it's that he flat out didn't want to hear it or have anyone else hear it. It's called censorship. A propaganda tool. All were welcome to a "open topic thread to say as they wanted". Until he didn't like it and couldn't beat it. TNC I asked several times to join. He's looked at us I guess, but was content there for now. I wish I'd remembered to message J.Blake, but I got banned. I'm sure the latest rant will have some there looking here. Hey, at least I got the puppet to dance. There's been more action here in a day, then there in a week. Hell, it's so boring there that they seem to be coming here to read.
Oh absolutley you should stand behind what you stated.
I do think its hard to keep comments on topic instead of "on people"... I'd like to hope that we'd strive to do that here... and I definitely feel if we don't we should call each other out on it. We all need to help each other by moderating each other. If I ever post something offensive, by all means tell me. Anyone should feel free to say "hey Steve... thats a little harsh..."
And I agree... what he did is censorship, and not stating up front that he would censor things he didn't agree to is classic baiting.
I'll miss dialoging with some folks there... but his censorship has relegated that forum to just another intolerant place I won't visit.
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Post by factfinder on Feb 11, 2019 20:42:43 GMT -8
The Olive Branch has been extended. Mine goes in the kindling pile. He still dont get it and never will. What’s the use?
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Post by kcjourneyfan01 on Feb 11, 2019 20:46:39 GMT -8
The Olive Branch has been extended. Mine goes in the kindling pile. He still dont get it and never will. What’s the use? One thing became clear, he comes here to find something interesting to read.
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Post by Boomchild on Feb 11, 2019 20:51:46 GMT -8
However, there is name calling of Andrew right here in these last few pages and if Andrew is welcome here, than the name calling should not be. The "Rule" has to apply all ways. I am upset with Andrew. I was really bothered by his actions. But I know damn well he's a good guy. Yes, he made some mistakes and yes it pisses me off and disappoints me, but if I was sitting at his diner table tonight, I'd imagine that like you he would show himself to be a good guy. The internet can make people crazy and things can be said. And he should not have abused his power. And it was right to leave after he locked the thread. And it was right not to return without him doing better at understanding his actions. But we say that in a strong way without resorting to some of what has been said. That's my two cents. I have to respectfully disagree with the description of Andrew as a "good guy". A "good guy" doesn't base his interaction with people just based on where they stand politically. I can only speak for myself and apparently I was banned simply because of that. I never engaged in the personal attacks and gutter mouth tactics. Especially when conversing with Andrew. I was critical and questioned statements and opinions he made. But I never disrespected him. On the flip side he routinely called all of us RWNJ and claimed we never supported his site. Which couldn't be further from the truth. A "good guy" doesn't do those things. I know for a FACT that I have NOTHING to apologize to Andrew for. I was respectful to him and others in the forum. Which got me banned solely on my political positions. Which goes to show you that trying to reason with a person that does such actions is futile.
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Post by factfinder on Feb 12, 2019 5:19:05 GMT -8
Is it name calling to say it looks to me that Andrew is completely off the rails. He is seeing Russian monsters under his bed every night. Dude seems more unhinged than the Cortez chick and Maxine and Monker combined. There really is Trump Derrangement Syndrome and its very widespread. I want to know, seriously, what the hell these people are so afraid of with Trump. Dude seems like a regular American to me, down to earth, with the people, but he is very much against certain things our previous Governments have done and he is looking to rectify those things. All perfectly normal to me. Obama did the same thing using his Presidency. Right, wrong or indifferent the World keeps spinning along.
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Post by kcjourneyfan01 on Feb 12, 2019 5:52:20 GMT -8
I'll tell you what they are afraid of. They are afraid that Trump is going to take down the socialist global agenda big bankers and CEO's have set up to take over global control. Liberals would have us morph into a world like Roller Ball. Isn't it funny how Hollywood warned you of it's self in the 70's? I myself don't want to suffer here because Italy had a hiccup in their economy. I'd rather my country take care of it's self. Liberals stand against that. The latest talking point is how small your refund is. I made six grand more in 2018 then the year before. That to me should be the news. Companies are coming back, that should be the news. Illegals are no longer going to take jobs, free government rides. free schools we can't afford for our kids, and drive wages down. Liberals hate that. They need those useful tools before they are disguarded later. It isn't that we disagree Slucero. It's a war for your freedom. I wish conservatives would see this. Liberals hate you. Read any main stream news feed. Take a good look at the new Democrats, they hate Jews too.
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