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Post by TNC on Jan 15, 2022 10:00:14 GMT -8
Neal now says the release date is "mid summer" 2022 owing to vinyl delays. Who knows what the truth is.
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Post by steveo777 on Jan 16, 2022 12:26:43 GMT -8
Vinyl delays? Jesus, that sounds lame. The bulk of sales are going to be digital downloads and CDs. At this point it almost feels like Neal has sabotaged anything good that was happening. New management, new label, Randy, Narada, etc. Who knows what it even is anymore? Neal is a guitar virtuoso, but hardly a good businessman.
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Post by TNC on Jan 16, 2022 12:40:07 GMT -8
Vinyl delays? Jesus, that sounds lame. The bulk of sales are going to be digital downloads and CDs. At this point it almost feels like Neal has sabotaged anything good that was happening. New management, new label, Randy, Narada, etc. Who knows what it even is anymore? Neal is a guitar virtuoso, but hardly a good businessman. I know vinyl is making a comeback, but it still seems strange. Maybe a record label listened to all the zoom recording sessions and said "this isn't up to par." Based on "The Way We Used To Be", I'm not sure I completely disagree. As mentioned, Cain's latest religious track had better mixing/production.
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Post by slucero on Jan 17, 2022 11:18:07 GMT -8
No one is really buying CD's anymore: 18.6 Million CDs is really nothing.... "vinyl delays" to me sounds like an excuse. They make literally no money on physical sales.. maybe enough to net out production costs. They also likely earn much more from streaming residuals of their evergreen catalog. But that is only Neal and Jon...and to some small degree Arnel for the Walmart release (if that is even listened to anymore).
Eclipse sold 228,000 units... figure $10 per unit... that's $2.2M... not mice nuts... somewhere in that $2.2M all the production/manufacturing/promotion costs eat up profit... likely what Jon meant when he said it's almost not worth it to record due to production costs...
The bulk of their revenue is touring... They have no management (after hosing up the QPrime deal), and will likely end up distributing through Frontiers . It's more likely TNC is right.. the mixes prolly suck, and they are realizing they have no real revenue path for the release...
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Post by factfinder on Jan 17, 2022 11:37:38 GMT -8
Neal now says the release date is "mid summer" 2022 owing to vinyl delays. Who knows what the truth is. www.punknews.org/article/75919/vinyl-pressing-facing-9-12-month-delayBY JOHN GENTILE 11 WEEKS AGO Last year, vinyl outsold CDs (in number of units) for the first time since the early 90s. This year, the number of new vinyl records sold will top the 2020 record. For example, Adele's management has pressed 500,000 records prior to sale to ensure that demand can be met. This number equals or exceeds any other pressing in 2021. The draw back? Vinyl pressing is facing a 9-12 month delay, and even major labels are pushing back production of their own lesser selling artists in order to make sure that massive artists like Adele can release vinyl on the same day music is released digitally. As reported by Variety, for major label and large indie label artists, not having vinyl ready by digital release can result in a 30-40% loss of vinyl sales. While physical sales only accounts for about 10% of income derived from sound recordings overall, that figure is much larger for mid size and small independent bands. further, the delay affects smaller bands and labels more than major labels. Generally speaking, larger productions are given pressing preference, which then means that larger labels can delay the production of small run records. Even major labels are prioritizing their own releases to make sure the biggest releases make the release deadline. Many small labels are now looking at August 2022 as the earliest release date if an order is pressed today, with many more releases delayed until 2023. Of course, one of the main reasons for the delay is shortage of supplies, which is compounded both by COVID related delays, the increase in popularity of variants, and the rapid rise in vinyl demand during the quarantine period. Good luck small bands, you'll need it!
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Post by factfinder on Jan 17, 2022 11:41:43 GMT -8
Worldwide Vinyl Shortage Delays Production, Prompts Artists to Consider Other Physical Formats Dylan Smith October 4, 2021 Factors including supply-chain disruptions, heightened chemical prices, and unprecedented demand are contributing to a vinyl shortage – prompting some artists to opt against releasing music via the resurging format. More than a few creators and professionals have commented on the far-reaching effects of the ongoing vinyl shortage, in terms of both manufacturing delays and increased costs. A number of artists recently acknowledged that they’re turning to the comparatively easy-to-make CDs and cassettes to satisfy fans’ desire for physical releases, for instance. And the Vinyl Alliance early last year identified “the broken supply chain” as the space’s “biggest issue.” Chesapeake, Virginia-headquartered Vinyl Alliance’s unsettling observation arrived shortly after COVID-19 lockdown orders went into effect – drastically limiting air travel – and Apollo/Transco burned down. The Banning, California, facility was one of two known establishments (the other being Japan’s MDC) that created the lacquer discs used to form vinyl master discs, from which additional record copies are pressed. Consequently, vinyl’s manufacturing woes began even before the pandemic’s onset, and continued supply-chain difficulties appear to be exacerbating these existing challenges. Nike, for instance, has seen cargo vessels’ journey from Asia to North America increase from about 40 days to roughly 80 days “as a result of container shortages, port congestion, rail congestion, and labor shortages,” according to Yahoo Finance. The point is proving significant for vinyl given the above-highlighted limited supply of lacquer discs as well as the format’s decidedly global manufacturing process. (It also bears mentioning that stateside manufacturing solutions have emerged, and other such options seem likely to debut moving forward.) Plus, the price of polyvinyl chloride (PVC) – which is used in vinyl, credit cards, pipes, certain medical devices, and more – “has rocketed 70%” amid the pandemic, per the Associated Press. Addressing the many obstacles that the energy and chemical sectors (besides different spheres yet) have faced since 2020’s start, Jeremy Pafford, Independent Commodity Intelligence Services’ head of North America, market development, indicated: “There isn’t one thing wrong. It’s kind of whack-a-mole – something goes wrong, it gets sorted out, then something else happens. And it’s been that way since the pandemic began.” As noted, the vinyl shortage is being compounded by unprecedented demand for records. Vinyl revenue nearly doubled in the U.S. during the first half of 2021, according to the RIAA – with 2020 having delivered a 23.5 percent year-over-year revenue hike for the global vinyl industry, per the IFPI. As a result, 2021 appears poised to keep alive the more than decade-long trend of growth for vinyl. In the most recent testament to the extent of the vinyl shortage, Universal Music announced all manner of 30th anniversary editions of Nirvana’s Nevermind, which released on September 24th, 1991. However, the most expensive of these anniversary editions, which includes “8 180-gram LPs,” isn’t expected to ship until late May of 2022 – nearly eight months from now. www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/10/04/vinyl-shortage-2021/
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Post by TNC on Jan 17, 2022 20:09:19 GMT -8
They have no management (after hosing up the QPrime deal), and will likely end up distributing through Frontiers . Neal keeps saying "BMG" is releasing it. However, to date, BMG hasn't said anything. Will the new material be bundled with re-recorded hits? Maybe even the recently filmed Vega symphony show? Who knows. I don't see them signing with Frontiers - at least not for US distribution.
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Post by slucero on Jan 18, 2022 13:51:30 GMT -8
yea I used the search on BMG's website... searching "Journey" returns nothing... clicking any of the other artists returns the artist and a simple standard page format with links for the artist website and social media... if Journey had any kind of relationship with BMG there would at least be that.... but there's nada...
I would think they really don't have much leverage at this point, so any distro deal is gonna have less favorable terms if they want to use a more mainstream company... they could unit sales by getting physical units in stores (walmart)... but that has up front cost, production minimums, and they'd likely have to sell them to Walmart at a loss just top get them on the shelf... so I don't think a mainstream company is gonna front/carry that for unit sales like they had with Eclipse.
On demand would be cheaper, and that can be done for vinyl too.. although they would likely have to pre-buy a minimum to bring the sell cost down.. CD on demand is pretty easy these days...
It could very well be that they are using the vinyl delay to take the time to line up better marketing funding... and polish up the mixes...
The on thing they can't "escape" (lol) is that they are a legacy classic rock band trying to promote and sell music to a very small buying audience.
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Post by TNC on Jan 19, 2022 15:03:57 GMT -8
yea I used the search on BMG's website... searching "Journey" returns nothing... clicking any of the other artists returns the artist and a simple standard page format with links for the artist website and social media... if Journey had any kind of relationship with BMG there would at least be that.... but there's nada... I would think they really don't have much leverage at this point, so any distro deal is gonna have less favorable terms if they want to use a more mainstream company... they could unit sales by getting physical units in stores (walmart)... but that has up front cost, production minimums, and they'd likely have to sell them to Walmart at a loss just top get them on the shelf... so I don't think a mainstream company is gonna front/carry that for unit sales like they had with Eclipse. On demand would be cheaper, and that can be done for vinyl too.. although they would likely have to pre-buy a minimum to bring the sell cost down.. CD on demand is pretty easy these days... It could very well be that they are using the vinyl delay to take the time to line up better marketing funding... and polish up the mixes... The on thing they can't "escape" (lol) is that they are a legacy classic rock band trying to promote and sell music to a very small buying audience. Regarding BMG....we can only assume Neal has announced it before it is formally announced. Similar to what he does all the time (see Lollapalooza, see TOTO tour). Or maybe the BMG deal fell through. Who knows? The only leverage the band has when it pertains to new releases is the back catalogue. Include a hits DVD as part of the package or a re-record of Escape, and watch the labels line up in droves. Physical musical sales have reached a point where bands like Styx seems to enjoy a big debut. I would expect Journey to at least crack the top 20. Similar to Eclipse.
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Post by slucero on Jan 19, 2022 21:18:01 GMT -8
Neal pre-empting shit (that doesn't happen or gets delayed) is starting to look like his Achilles heel. He really needs to shut up.
Production-wise, I though Eclipse was well done... I did not prefer the songwriting. Just my personal taste.
People are going to want Journey to sound like something they imagine in their head... likely that means legacy Journey... and they've yet to marry that with something more contemporary sounding... maybe this will be the time...
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Post by TNC on Jan 22, 2022 7:28:00 GMT -8
Neal pre-empting shit (that doesn't happen or gets delayed) is starting to look like his Achilles heel. He really needs to shut up. Production-wise, I though Eclipse was well done... I did not prefer the songwriting. Just my personal taste. People are going to want Journey to sound like something they imagine in their head... likely that means legacy Journey... and they've yet to marry that with something more contemporary sounding... maybe this will be the time... When I think of "contemporary sound", I really can only thing of harder rockers like "Chain of Love" and "The Time" and "Live and Breathe".
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Post by slucero on Jan 22, 2022 10:24:32 GMT -8
I was thinking more along the lines of modern mixing... where there are techniques & effects used to make a song more interesting...
Most classic rock has little mix-based events... that's why most of that genre sounds staid, some say old & tired. Journey never really did that much, and its would be an easy way to give Journey's sound identity a twist, instead of just the "same ol', same ol'" mixing. They already have a cinematic feel to their compositional style... why not accent that more?
Younger listeners are already used to mixes with movement, and doing so would not detract from the songs themselves... Neal wants to stay relevant.. so there's no reason not to give it a try.
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Post by steveo777 on Jan 23, 2022 10:25:57 GMT -8
Neal was pissed off about something yesterday, I don't know if some of you saw what he posted on FB...
"Karma is gonna hit some of Y'all real hard for breaking people who had nothing but good intentions for you."
I don't understand what this is about, do any of you?
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Post by slucero on Jan 23, 2022 15:27:41 GMT -8
Maybe he's talking about the song on their 1st album...
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Post by TNC on Jan 25, 2022 18:54:11 GMT -8
I was thinking more along the lines of modern mixing... where there are techniques & effects used to make a song more interesting... Most classic rock has little mix-based events... that's why most of that genre sounds staid, some say old & tired. Journey never really did that much, and its would be an easy way to give Journey's sound identity a twist, instead of just the "same ol', same ol'" mixing. They already have a cinematic feel to their compositional style... why not accent that more? Younger listeners are already used to mixes with movement, and doing so would not detract from the songs themselves... Neal wants to stay relevant.. so there's no reason not to give it a try. I completely agree.
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